Is there a need to mineralize Soilrite?

[Naufil]

Is there a need to mineralize Soilrite?

[Romi]

No there isn't.

Soil rite is just peatmoss (harvested from marshes and almost completely broken down by microbes) and thermocol beads (called pearlite i think), some vermiculite (a kind of mica, inert, and with good cation potential). Only rich organice manure like humus or vermicompost needs to be mineralised before addint to an aquarium.

[sushant]

No there isn't.

Soil rite is just peatmoss (harvested from marshes and almost completely broken down by microbes) and thermocol beads (called pearlite i think), some vermiculite (a kind of mica, inert, and with good cation potential). Only rich organice manure like humus or vermicompost needs to be mineralised before addint to an aquarium.

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[saikumar]

No there isn't.
Only rich organice manure like humus or vermicompost needs to be mineralised before addint to an aquarium.

please a simple question, why mineralize, and what is mineralization?

[VishaalDalal]

No there isn't.
Only rich organice manure like humus or vermicompost needs to be mineralised before addint to an aquarium.

please a simple question, why mineralize, and what is mineralization?

OK this needs a very small explanation,
when we minerilise the substrate all the minerals which are present in the medium are broken down into chelated forms which are then available to aquatic forms. this is because even in very rich soils the minerals and nutrients are in a form which is more or less stable so these stable bonds need to be broken down into usable forms this happens with the help of, Microbes, Oxygen and water.

[Arjun Tandon]

OK this needs a very small explanation,
when we minerilise the substrate all the minerals which are present in the medium are broken down into chelated forms which are then available to aquatic forms. this is because even in very rich soils the minerals and nutrients are in a form which is more or less stable so these stable bonds need to be broken down into usable forms this happens with the help of, Microbes, Oxygen and water.

Breaking stable and unstable forms is understandable but I didn't get when you said "broken down into chelated forms". Chelation is that ability of cyclic/ring organic compounds where the some atoms form hydrogen bonds or coordinate bonds with free metal ions. So do you think bacteria can mineralize the plain protein-carbohydate composed organic matter into chelating structures?

[VishaalDalal]

OK this needs a very small explanation,
when we minerilise the substrate all the minerals which are present in the medium are broken down into chelated forms which are then available to aquatic forms. this is because even in very rich soils the minerals and nutrients are in a form which is more or less stable so these stable bonds need to be broken down into usable forms this happens with the help of, Microbes, Oxygen and water.

Breaking stable and unstable forms is understandable but I didn't get when you said "broken down into chelated forms". Chelation is that ability of cyclic/ring organic compounds where the some atoms form hydrogen bonds or coordinate bonds with free metal ions. So do you think bacteria can mineralize the plain protein-carbohydate composed organic matter into chelating structures?

yup bacteria can do anything they are the reason for life on earth as it is. but thanks for the chemical explanation I am a bit rusty in that department.

Wikipedia passage
In nature

Virtually all biochemicals exhibit the ability to dissolve certain metal cations. Thus, proteins, polysaccharides, and polynucleic acids are excellent polydentate ligands for many metal ions. Organic compounds such as the amino acids glutamic acid and histidine, organic diacids such as malate, and polypeptides such as phytochelatin are also typical chelators. In addition to these adventitious chelators, several biomolecules are specifically produced to bind certain metals (see next section).[5][6][7][8]
[edit]In biochemistry and microbiology
Virtually all metalloenzymes feature metals that are chelated, usually to peptides or cofactors and prosthetic groups.[8] Such chelating agents include the porphyrin rings in hemoglobin and chlorophyll. Many microbial species produce water-soluble pigments that serve as chelating agents, termed siderophores. For example, species of Pseudomonas are known to secrete pyocyanin and pyoverdin that bind iron. Enterobactin, produced by E. coli, is the strongest chelating agent known.
[edit]In geology
In earth science, chemical weathering is attributed to organic chelating agents, e.g. peptides and sugars, that extract metal ions from minerals and rocks.[9] Most metal complexes in the environment and in nature are bound in some form of chelate ring, e.g. with a humic acid or a protein. Thus, metal chelates are relevant to the mobilization of metals in the soil, the uptake and the accumulation of metals into plants and microorganisms. Selective chelation of heavy metals is relevant to bioremediation, e.g. removal of 137Cs from radioactive waste.[10]

[Romi]

Hari ommm.........

This thread has skyrocketed very high indeed.

But good info there!

For a layperson, I think, it would be safe to say that an excessively rich manure will quicky leach organic componds into the water, clouding it, turning it brown, and perhaps even causing a stink! This result could easily scare a hobbyist, especially if he is new, and wants to see his Galaxy Rasboras he paid 90 bucks apiece.

So it is better to not add such an organic component to the tank without rinsing it well and drying, over and over, till it aquires a different colour and consistencey adn no longer colours the water so much. This can take a week easily;.

[VishaalDalal]

Hari ommm.........

This thread has skyrocketed very high indeed.

But good info there!

For a layperson, I think, it would be safe to say that an excessively rich manure will quicky leach organic componds into the water, clouding it, turning it brown, and perhaps even causing a stink! This result could easily scare a hobbyist, especially if he is new, and wants to see his Galaxy Rasboras he paid 90 bucks apiece.

So it is better to not add such an organic component to the tank without rinsing it well and drying, over and over, till it aquires a different colour and consistencey adn no longer colours the water so much. This can take a week easily;.

hey where r u getting them for 90 bucks

[deepesh]

Hi All, a short and pithy one line answer at Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineralization_(soil)